pantheraleo04:

I was trying to check when the great English vowel shift happened and got the strangest ad I’ve seen lol

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I’m now obsessed with the idea of buying a phonological change. Like, popping down to the store and completely changing the way you speak.

#gonna borrow a friend’s tag for this #fun wif forn fronting (maryellencarter)


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incendavery:

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this comic brought to you by my bachelors degree in linguistics


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sigmaleph:

it’s an ‘I feel like i’m being gaslit by phonologists’ kind of night again

on some level i feel like i should appreciate the wide range of sounds humans can make with their mouths and that people have put a lot of effort into studying and cataloguing subtle variations within them. i should! intellectually i do.

emotionally i don’t though. i just read about yet another distinction between two sounds that i cannot hear l and i want to grab the entire field by the lapels and shake them vigorously while yelling that it’s the same fucking sound what are you talking about


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argumate:

another-normal-anomaly:

Unpopular opinion: if it’s true, it should always be acceptable to say “I can’t pronounce that; it has phonemes not present in my native language.”

or I have a lisp or other speech impediment or hearing impediment etc. etc.


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sinesalvatorem:

@ilzolende​ and I were discussing linguistic sound change. I mentioned I’d read that ת (tav) has gone from ‘th’ in Biblical Hebrew to ‘t’ in Modern Hebrew and ‘s’ for some Ashkenazim; while ב (bet) and ו (vav) merge for (some) Sephardim, because of Spanish b/v merger.

Which eventually led to this story:


The Gileadites encamped at the Jordan and waited to slaughter the retreating Ephraimites. To distinguish them, they asked all comers to say ‘shibboleth’, because the Ephraimites could not pronounce the /sh/ phoneme and instead said it as /s/.

Gileadite 1: …So then you kill anyone who mispronounces ‘shibboleth’. Understood?

Gileadite 2: Understood.

(Modern) Israeli: Shalom!

Gileadite 2: Hey, we’re testing nationality. Say ‘shibboleth’.

Israeli: Uh, OK. ‘shibbolet’?

Gileadite 2: …u wot, mate?

Israeli: I said ‘shibbolet’, just like you asked.

Gileadite 2: Um, wrong, I guess. *slash*

Gileadite 1: No no no! That wasn’t an Ephraimite! That was a… Weirdo. Anyway, we’re just killing people who say /s/, dude. Listen for a /s/.

Gileadite 2: OK, got it.

Ashkenazi: Shalom!

Gileadite 2: Hey, we’re testing nationality. Say ‘shibboleth’.

Ashkenazi: Oy vey, what is this ‘shibboles’ thi-

Gileadite 2: *slash*

Gileadite 1: NO! We’re checking if they say /s/ at the beginning, man! The beginning!

Gileadite 2: Make up your MIND.

[One diversity training session later]

Gileadite 2: *sigh* OK. Sibboleth: Kill. Shibboleth: Let through. Shibbolet or Shibboles: Turn away. That’s everyone, right?

Gileadite 1: Yep. Good luck!

Sephardi: Shalom!

Gileadite 2: Hey, we’re testing nationality. Say ‘shibboleth’.

Sephardi: Um, why ‘shivolet’?

Gileadite 2: *throws down sword* Fuck it, I QUIT.

Shibbolef?


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What Universal Human Experiences Are You Missing Without Realizing It?

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scientiststhesis:

 

comparativelysuperlative:

It took me approximately forever to find out I was faceblind.
In retrospect, the incident with telling someone she looked like Evil Galadriel from the FotR movie and having everyone including her deny it…makes a lot more sense.

#prosopagnosia  #that is such a boring tag; does anyone have more interesting suggestions?

“You humans all look alike to me”?

(I was thirteen myself. Since autism and prosopagnosia are often found together, when I started reading autism neurodiversity blogs it came up early and often. I was occasionally confused as a kid when others could not only tell people with the same hair colour and style apart, but expected me to do the same.)

As for the article, I do wonder what experiences I might be missing. I have gradually figured out over the course of my life that my emotional range is non-standard: I appear to be missing awe entirely, I don’t feel limerence but I do feel perseveration* (which I’m told is both a similar feeling and one that most people lack), I have most** of the sex-related emotions but in such a way as to make them nearly unrecognisable (so I’m missing out on other people’s experiences of them, but everyone else is missing out on mine), my mother says that she experiences frustration as an emotion all its own rather than a sub-type of anger so apparently that’s a thing. (There might still be other emotional divergences I don’t know about yet.) I don’t know what thorns sound like (though I do know what eths sound like). I’m not entirely convinced that sour and bitter are actually separate flavours to me; I’ve been meaning to investigate that further. There’s probably others I don’t even suspect.

*Well, I did, and I still could if I allowed myself. The beginning stages are so unpleasant that once I figured out how to nip it in the bud (also age thirteen, as it happens), the temptation to do so was overwhelming.

**I don’t seem to have anything even resembling “looking at someone and wanting to fuck them”, not counting extenuating circumstances like the person being in a sexually suggestive pose.


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maire-annatari:

eggypeggy:

A feature of English which I think is stupid,

If we’re carrying on with this game,

Is how we abolished the thorn and replaced it,

With two letters that meant the same.

The þ was a letter, amazing, astounding,

Perfect in every respect,

Representing the ‘th’ sound and shortening words,

The one thing it didn’t expect;

One day T and H went and burgled its meaning,

And then, thanks to the printing press,

Its symbol mutated and morphed into Y,

Which is pointless, I must confess.

Þoughtlessly, the þ was forgotten,

Þreatened as the language evolved,

Þankful for þose who knew of old English,

A topic where it was involved.

It only survived in Modern Icelandic,

In English it’s treated with scorn,

And as barely anyone knows it exists,

Please try to remember the thorn.

ð!

Saving the thorn from obscurity
Is surely a laudable aim
But if this letter deserves our praise
The eth should receive the same.

The scribes of the Anglo-Saxons
interchanged the eth and thorn
until the first one fell from use
and the second was left forlorn,

But for the modern Icelander
their roles are more defined
and could improve our English texts
if we were so inclined.

The thorn (Þ, þ) denotes a voiceless dental fricative
as in the English ‘think’ or ‘thresh’ but not the ‘th’ in ‘hither,’
whereas the eth (Ð, ð) is a voiced dental fricative
perfect for ‘this’ and ‘that’ and most especially for ‘thither.’

So I propose ðey boþ be used 
in the Icelandic manner;
ðen students won’t be loaþ to learn
our spelling and our grammar.

To þink we’ve never fixed ðis mess
is really quite astounding.
One letter cluster for two sounds?
Ðat’s damnably confounding!


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ubungmachtdenmeister:

So you know how every language has that word/phrase/sentence that native speakers can pronounce just fine, but foreigners can almost never pronounce it correctly? And the natives have a lot of fun telling the foreigners to try and say it and laughing at their attempts?

They’re called Shibboleths, and wikipedia has a whole article on them. 
Even better, wikipedia has a whole article on examples of them.

Some of them are ridiculous, I can’t stop reading this article.

 

jazzypom:

Wow. Cheers for this. 

 

nenya-kanadka:

“Art thou an Ephraimite?”

“Um, uh … No?”

“Prove it. Say ‘shibboleth.’”

“Sibboleth.”

Aha! Die Ephraimite!”

“Oh sit.”

(Judges 12 according to Fred Clark)

 

slepaulica:

re: your tags, native speakers of hebrew probably, not native speakers of english

 

brin-bellway:

Well, English is known for its extensive use of “th”, and that’s where the problem comes in for me. (In fact, the original Hebrew word might have used a perfectly pronounceable “t”, though it’s not clear from a few minutes of looking things up.)

 

slepaulica:

dunno, don’t speak hebrew. but the shibboleth part of the shibboleth is the sh sound.

according to wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth 

The term originates from the Hebrew word shibbólet (שִׁבֹּלֶת), which literally means the part of a plant containing grains, such as an ear of corn or a stalk ofgrain[3] or, in different contexts, “stream, torrent”.[4][5]

which means that you would be able to pronounce it, because it was shibbólet, not shibbóleth :)

Yeah, I saw that, but then I saw the Wiki page on Hebrew pronunciation in general:

Some historically distinctive Hebrew phonemes have merged in modern Hebrew, such as historically distinctive /t/, /θ/, /tˤ/ (now all [t]), written respectively by the letters Tav (תּ), Ṯav (ת) and Ṭet (ט).

This would seem to imply (note the use of tav-with-no-dot in the Hebrew you quoted, for whatever that’s worth) that it was soft-“th” at the time and only became “t” later.

(What do you do if someone fails a shibboleth in an unexpected manner? People who say “shibbolef” aren’t the kind of Them you’re killing on sight (well, hearing), but they’re not Us either.)


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slepaulica:

nenya-kanadka:

jazzypom:

ubungmachtdenmeister:

So you know how every language has that word/phrase/sentence that native speakers can pronounce just fine, but foreigners can almost never pronounce it correctly? And the natives have a lot of fun telling the foreigners to try and say it and laughing at their attempts?

They’re called Shibboleths, and wikipedia has a whole article on them. 
Even better, wikipedia has a whole article on examples of them.

Some of them are ridiculous, I can’t stop reading this article.

Wow. Cheers for this. 

“Art thou an Ephraimite?”

“Um, uh … No?”

“Prove it. Say ‘shibboleth.’”

“Sibboleth.”

Aha! Die Ephraimite!”

“Oh sit.”

(Judges 12 according to Fred Clark)

re: your tags, native speakers of hebrew probably, not native speakers of english

Well, English is known for its extensive use of “th”, and that’s where the problem comes in for me. (In fact, the original Hebrew word might have used a perfectly pronounceable “t”, though it’s not clear from a few minutes of looking things up.)


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