We Had the Vaccine the Whole Time

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collapsedsquid:

None of the scientists I spoke to for this story were at all surprised by either outcome — all said they expected the vaccines were safe and effective all along. Which has made a number of them wonder whether, in the future, at least, we might find a way to do things differently — without even thinking in terms of trade-offs. Rethinking our approach to vaccine development, they told me, could mean moving faster without moving any more recklessly. A layperson might look at the 2020 timelines and question whether, in the case of an onrushing pandemic, a lengthy Phase III trial — which tests for efficacy — is necessary. But the scientists I spoke to about the way this pandemic may reshape future vaccine development were more focused on how to accelerate or skip Phase I, which tests for safety. More precisely, they thought it would be possible to do all the research, development, preclinical testing, and Phase I trials for new viral pandemics before those new viruses had even emerged — to have those vaccines sitting on the shelf and ready to go when they did. They also thought it was possible to do this for nearly the entire universe of potential future viral pandemics — at least 90 percent of them, one of them told me, and likely more.

As Hotez explained to me, the major reason this vaccine timeline has shrunk is that much of the research and preclinical animal testing was done in the aftermath of the 2003 SARS pandemic (that is, for instance, how we knew to target the spike protein). This would be the model. Scientists have a very clear sense of which virus families have pandemic potential, and given the resemblance of those viruses, can develop not only vaccines for all of them but also ones that could easily be tweaked to respond to new variants within those families.

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According to Florian Krammer, a vaccine scientist at Mount Sinai, you could do all of this at a cost of about $20 million to $30 million per vaccine and, ideally, would do so for between 50 and 100 different viruses — enough, he says, to functionally cover all the phylogenies that could give rise to pandemic strains in the future. (“It’s extremely unlikely that there is something out there that doesn’t belong to one of the known families, that would have been flying under the radar,” he says. “I wouldn’t be worried about that.”) In total, he estimates, the research and clinical trials necessary to do this would cost between $1 billion and $3 billion. So far this year, the U.S. government has spent more than $4 trillion on pandemic relief. Functionally, it’s a drop in the bucket, though Krammer predicts our attention, and the funding, will move on once this pandemic is behind us, leaving us no more prepared for the next one. When he compares the cost of such a project to the Pentagon’s F-35 — you could build vaccines for five potential pandemics for the cost of a single plane, and vaccines for all of them for roughly the cost of that fighter-jet program as a whole — he isn’t signaling confidence it will happen, but the opposite.

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If we do all that, he says, the entire timeline could be compressed to as few as three months. The production and distribution of a vaccine adds considerable cost, bureaucracy, and even some chaos, as we’re likely about to see. But three months from the design of the Moderna vaccine was April 13. The second and third surges, the return to school and the long-dreaded fall, 225,000 more deaths and 50 million more infections — all of that still lay ahead. Shave another month off somehow and you’re at March 13, the day the very first person in New York City died.

The “Beau Biden Cancer Moonshot“ authorized $1.8 billion over seven years for cancer research in 2016, don’t know what he’s planning on doing as president but this would be an excellent use of research money,  Wouldn’t say no to both though.

Where can I contribute to the Kickstarter?

(don’t say “give it to CEPI”: they don’t take small-scale donations)


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nuclearspaceheater:

kaduva:

jupiter2:

This chart shows the best and worst face masks

Source

to clarify about masks with vents:

they are not intended to prevent spread of pathogens. they exist solely to protect the wearer. they are intended for e.g. building sites or industrial settings where there may be dust & particles etc. in the air – i.e. they do a great job at filtering what comes in through the mask (hence the high stats), but they have a handy vent that opens when you breathe out. there is absolutely no filtering on the air coming out through that vent (because in the setting they’re designed for, there’s no need for it). do not wear these masks, they are almost useless in terms of preventing the spread of the virus.

Protecting yourself is still protecting others because you cannot spread it if you don’t catch it. Pathogens that can only reproduce in living humans are a rare area of life where the interests of the individual and the interests of the collective are in near perfect alignment. Obviously, if everyone inhaled only highly filtered air, the virus would have a hard time regardless of what happens to the exhalation.

Even putting that aside, there’s nothing wrong with protecting yourself.

All that aside, masks by definition (per OSHA) do not provide an air-tight seal around the face. Get an elastomeric respirator and some P100 filters instead. They’re available again for the general public and have been for a while now.

@ people who think that valved PPE shouldn’t be worn at all no matter how good its anti-ingress protection is:

As the saying goes [link], have you tried sitting down and thinking about the problem for five minutes?

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[Apparently Tumblr, in its hellsiteishness, does not allow descriptive alt text on images. For anyone unable to see it: that is a picture of a valved P100 respirator whose valve has been taped over with cloth.]


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nuclearspaceheater:

brin-bellway:

https://brin-bellway.dreamwidth.org/81296.html

“When I put it on before work (so, more time-sensitive than the previous occasions), I *felt* like this time there was a little bit of leakage at the top of my nose, yet it still passed the plug-the-exhalation-valve test. Nocebo?“

I’ve had this apparently phantom sensation of air flow over the nose while still passing seal tests as well. ¯\_(ᐛ)_/¯ 

“Most importantly, I need to practice attaching the filters and making sure I can properly click them into place, because one of them fucking *fell off mid-task*.“

The filters don’t click into place, they’re twist-lock. This particular model of respirator, in my experience, has particularity tight connections, so I’d recommend installing them while not wearing it. It seems to me implausible that they would fall off if properly twisted into place, without simply ripping the rest of the filter from the plastic coupling.

>>they’re twist-lock

That’s what I meant, yeah.

>>It seems to me implausible that they would fall off if properly twisted into place

Yeah, I’m assuming it was some sort of newbie mistake, since there’s no way it’s even *remotely* normal for them to fall off during use. People trust their lives to these things in situations where one minute of masklessness will fuck you the hell up *even if you’re lucky*.

(I called it a “live-fire exercise”, but that was somewhat of an exaggeration: it’s more like an exercise where 99% of darts are blank and 1% contain *some* poison but not enough for a single dart to poison you. It’s just that there are a lot of darts flying around in a crowded restaurant, and you don’t know which ones are which.)


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brin-bellway asked: Thank you so much for the heads-up on how P100 respirators are obtainable now! I just got one and I expect my “”essential work”” fast-food shift tonight to be much less terrifying.

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nuclearspaceheater:

Glad to help.


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DC Police: Persons of interest sought in US Capitol riot

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rustingbridges:

judiciousimprecation:

rustingbridges:

voxette-vk:

Noice

shout out to the six people pictured who actually covered their face. just seems smart, y’kno

Politicizing masks as a 5D chess move to make sure all the MAGA rioters get caught on camera but antifa doesn’t

getting arrested to own the libs


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comparativelysuperlative:

is2020over.com is the most important website of the year.

(Answer: no. Just today left. Could be more disasters to track, who knows.)

So anyway, the guy it’s “reluctantly made & maintained by” is speaking on the Jan. 5 about how 2020 is, finally, over. 

You can register here, assuming we make it another week.

I get why people are saying this, but I disagree. Much like how “the ‘60′s” ended in 1974, “2020″ will not end until the vaccine rollout.

For the purposes of mass coordination “the end of 2020″ is probably when the pandemic is declared officially over, but I personally will be making a Happy New Year post one week after my second dose of Pfizer-BioNTech, or on the equivalent day-of-full-effect if I end up with a different manufacturer’s vaccine.

(Tonight I’m still gonna eat traditional New Year foods and play “Auld Lang Syne” and maybe watch the Times Square ball drop if the stream doesn’t crash again, but I’m thinking I might also do it (sans ball drop) then.)


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twinicegiantorbiters:

i don’t know why but i’m really amused by the winner of some ‘new kanji’ contest:

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compare with the real kanji

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座 (seat/gathering), but the two 人 (person) radicals have been moved from next to each other within the 土 (earth) radical to diagonally from each other, making this “social distance(d seating/gathering)”


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brin-bellway:

https://brin-bellway.dreamwidth.org/78928.html

@itsbenedict​​ replied: “i’m a resident of 2020 and thought that meant “sun” until you explained it”

Potential near-future mes dealing with the aftermath of coronal-mass-ejection EMPs are definitely grumbling about “don’t we have *enough* coronas fucking us over this year?”.

(I’m actually in the middle of reading a thing about this right now: https://www.governmentattic.org/27docs/UnpubFEMAgeomagRptsU_2010-12.pdf )


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Responding to a pandemic in the world’s wealthiest and most powerful nation:

nuclearspaceheater:

nentuaby:

roseverdict:

nentuaby:

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PLEASE TELL ME WHAT YOU’RE APOLOGIZING FOR BECAUSE I’M COMPLETELY CONFUSED

The RNA vaccines approved for COVID-19 in the US both need to be distributed at extremely low temperatures. Like 40F lower than any other mass-distributed medicine.

It turns out the Dippin Dots company runs the only nationwide supply chain that’s ever operated at those temperatures. So all these big serious health orgs are consulting the expertise of, and even exploring renting equipment from, The Ice Cream of the Future™️.

This is it. This is the future that it’s the ice cream of.


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anaisnein:

anaisnein:

anaisnein:

on the upside: i am experiencing a wholesome old-fashioned tearing-up emotional ‘omg look what we humans did holy fuck we’re not all bad’ reaction to photographs of the Actual Vaccine. trucks pulling out! crates being opened! planes being loaded! vials steaming gently as the lid is lifted! first shot going into first ICU nurse arm! 😭😭😭😍😍😍✨💪💗 i fucking love science, etc., etc.

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