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abandonedgod:

brin-bellway:

abandonedgod:

Even though I love this idea of Gallifreyans as a species having prosopagnosia, I’m still not sure if it’s actually true, since the Doctor has the habit of commenting his face and it’s distinct features (the chin, the eyebrows, i.e.) relatively often. I don’t know much about prosopagnosia and therefore I’m not sure whether it’s possible for people having/suffering from it to make such remarks. Does anybody know something more about that?

We can totally do that! In fact, things like distinctive eyebrows or sticky-out ears (the focus of Nine’s comments) are a big part of how we tell people apart.

Oh so it means that these comments don’t get against that brilliant idea! Thanks for the information!


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john-boyaeger asked: My friend finally made me start watching Season 9 of RvB last night. I’ve been putting it off forever. I kept calling out peoples names and stuff right before they happened, so my friend was like “I thought you have never seen this…” to which I said “I haven’t, but I’ve virtually seen the whole thing in gif form on tumblr at this point.”

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eponymous-rose:

brin-bellway:

eponymous-rose:

Hee! Yeah, I always wonder how much people are picking up by osmosis with the bajillion things I reblog. (And hey, I’m in the middle of rewatching s9 right now!)

I also wonder what my blog’s cross-section of the show looks like to the people who’ve never actually watched it. Or the people who quit somewhere in the first five seasons.

While watching the S6 finale, I paused it for a bit to consider how this fit into all the fandom osmosis I’d received. (The thing that made me stop was hearing “when it goes off, I’ll be fine”, which was the quote on that Alpha fanart I can’t find because Tumblr sucks. I believe my exact thought-words were “oh fuck it’s true he’s going to die”.) After thinking it over, I concluded that nobody was actually going to die, because they all appear in gifsets and/or reaction posts set later.

This conclusion turned out to be mostly incorrect. I had vastly underestimated how complicated things like “life” and “death” and “existence” get when Leonard Church enters the picture.

Yeah, you know things are gonna get weird when Church dies in the first few episodes of season one and it doesn’t phase him much. Dude’s got a complicated relationship with reality.

I just really really really love shows that take ridiculous premises and suddenly do a 180 and try to retcon them into something serious. Is that a thing? That should be a thing.


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Can you tell who this is?

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rustingbridges:

Cut for length.

FWIW when I took one of those internet tests I scored inbetween average normie and average faceblind, which corresponds pretty well to my lived experience – e.g. I often don’t recognize somebody the second time I see them, but usually start to after that. I have no trouble recognizing my coworkers, but I get the two bald guys in sales who I occasionally exchange pleasantries with confused.

Assuming the friend is an actual friend, not just a friendly acquantaince (inside the dunbar group?), I think not recognizing them automatically would matter.<<

Well, whenever I hear people draw a distinction between “friend” and “friendly acquaintance”, they almost always define “friend” so strictly that I have had maybe one or two friends in the past decade, and no friends whose faces I saw frequently. (honestly, where do the friend-vs-acquaintance people find so many people who don’t respond to interpersonal problems by contemptuously brushing them off)

This is what I was trying to indicate with the dunbar group comment, should have made it more clear, sorry. I meant your 100 or 200 closest associates.

I can reliably recognise housemates at the mall, and have nobody else whose faces I have as much experience with as one would have with one’s band members. I can suspect that a person at the mall is my boss, but not with confidence; however, I’ve only been around him ~[3 gradually increasing to 8]† hours/week for 1.5 years, so it’s to be expected that I’m only in the middle stages of learning his face.

(He is not faceblind–or at least, he’s significantly better at keeping track of which customers are regulars than I am–but he still didn’t spot me. I asked about how his Boxing Day went a couple days later and confirmed that he was at the mall that day, so it probably was him I saw.)

Oh people totally miss each other all the time in big crowds, even facenormies. I think a lot of it is just never even noticing the other person at all. My impression is that faceblindness is when you can intentionally look someone in the face and not be sure, as opposed to more general lack of awareness (which I think is pretty common in normies).

If we can do a little evolutionary speculation here, in the ancestral environment, telling whether the guy you just saw in the forest is in your band, or a stranger, or the particular guy in the band who would really benefit if you weren’t around is a matter of life and death.<<

While this isn’t all that different from what I said, it does make it more clear why, if someone did mutate an unusually good facial-recognition ability, it would get selected for and eventually become the norm. If you don’t know whether someone’s an enemy and neither do they, that’s far less dangerous than if they know you’re enemies and you don’t.

Also, not knowing by the face whether someone’s in your tribe is something even mezzoprosopons or whatever the hell we’re calling them have to deal with these days, and they deal with it by simply making tribe members wear distinctive clothing when there’s a chance they might encounter an enemy [link].

(and I feel like a lot of the reasons that I refrain from murdering people would still apply to the stalking-a-rival-in-the-forest thing, but perhaps my threshold for “I am willing to accept X risk of Y-severity punishment†† in order to get the benefits of committing this crime” is unusually strict; probably an anxiety thing)

I’m no expert but my impression that what we know of hunter-gatherers is that they experience much higher rates of violent death than moderns do and that murder is an issue and violent conflict between groups tended to be irregular and probably involved a lot of raiding and the like.

So I’m not saying that everyone would be murdering their rivals in the forest, and hunter gatherer you might not, but I think the temptation to have your enemey experience a “hunting accident” was probably something that happened.

And I imagine groups probably did have significant elements of attire, possibly even some just for violence, but if your camp is getting raided by surprise you’re not going to have time for that.

So here’s a hypothetical: you are a 12 year old girl in said camp getting raided. You hide away so you don’t get caught, but you see a man coming. Your group consists of 50ish relations. Is that guy coming by your uncle once removed john? Or do you need to run? Sure, you’re not totally screwed if you can’t tell, but it sure would help.


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prosopanonymous:

brin-bellway:

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I suspected it might be Abraham Lincoln when I could only see around the edge, but the more they revealed, the less sure I got, until by the end I was convinced it wasn’t him. You tagged the post “Abraham Lincoln”, so I guess I should’ve gone with my first thought.

I note that when I took one of those online facial recognition quizzes, I had a similar experience with Barack Obama: my first thought was that it was him, but then I thought “no, that can’t be him, he isn’t that old” and failed the question (like I did every other question on that quiz). I’d forgotten how much politics ages you. (Though in Lincoln’s case, the “no, that can’t be him” was because this face looks too wide to be him.)

(Who says there has to be an evolutionary advantage? All a trait really has to do to stick around is not get you killed too often.)

Same- I only needed 4 tiles taken away before I knew who it was.  Personally, I’m familiar with that picture, so I didn’t have any doubts as more was revealed.

And no, there doesn’t have to be an evolutionary advantage, though it could be argued since it’s a pretty large subpopulation. And if it prevents you from not being killed too often, couldn’t that be considered an evolutionary advantage? I’m hardly an evolutionary psychologist, but I love hearing the arguments for or against certain traits to exist due to evolution.


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prosopanonymous:

brin-bellway:

dhalim:

My first ProsopAnonymous video is up! Tell me what you think!

Note: these will get better over time. I have a friend of mine working on an intro song for the show, so I’ll be able to add one by episode 2 or 3

It’s promising, but I suggest you try talking a bit more slowly. Your speech struck me as kind of rushed in a lot of places. This isn’t a conversation: nobody’s going to butt in and cut you off if you give them the slightest pause. (I swear I read somewhere that people actually do expect recordings to speak more slowly than live people, but I have no idea where.)

Thanks! I think I generally talk fast, especially when it’s a topic I love. I will definitely work on that! I am presenting to a couple of high school classes in October, so this will be good practice! 

I really appreciate your feedback and would love to hear more on future videos (or this one if there’s anything else you or anyone else would like to mention).


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alwaysfaithfulterriblelizard:

this egg fucking froze because our fridge is too cold

 

o-bellaciao:

Why would you keep the eggs on the fridge?

 

alwaysfaithfulterriblelizard:

we keep our eggs in the fridge…so they don’t denature? do you not refrigerate your eggs?

 

nanner:

Because of the way our eggs are processed and the prevalence of salmonella in american chickens, americans have to fridge their eggs.

http://io9.com/americans-why-do-you-keep-refrigerating-your-eggs-1465309529

 

colorschanging:

Wait, they don’t refrigerate eggs in other countries?

 

ladyoflate:

wait what people in other countries dont refrigerate eggs???

 

wewishyouamurphychristmas:

wait a second eggs in other countries aren’t refrigerated?????????

 

agathaheterodyne:

Waht.

 

slepaulica:

yeah, we don’t refrigerate them here. they keep like a month or two, even in summer, just crack it into a cup in case it’s accidentally taken you too long to use those eggs, give it a whiff, if it smells okay you’re good to go even if it’s really old.  don’t use the float test — that turns up a lot of false positives and sometimes you end up throwing away perfectly good eggs, which is not cheap. just turn your eggs upside down every now and then to help keep them fresh and yeah.

also chicken eggs do not look anything like those things you see on american tv shows. they have brown shells and the yolks are orange.

 

triplash:

Americans refrigerate their eggs.. 

America..

 

slepaulica:

if you read the link though, there’s actually a reason for why they have to do it, a reason that doesn’t apply anywhere else in the world.

 

slepaulica:

we should organise a charity drive to mail european eggs to americans. we can send them uht milk too, i read on the internet that they only have the kind of milk that has to be refrigerated

 

brin-bellway:

Canadians refrigerate eggs too. And re: colour, every Canadian grocery store I have ever been in carried multiple brands of eggs, some of which were white and some which were brown. (We usually buy the brown: the last time I bought white it was because we realised at the last moment we were out of eggs and Mom sent me to the white-egg-only convenience store to get a dozen to tide us over.)

Who told you Americans don’t have UHT milk? I don’t know about big ones, but there are definitely single-serving ones that I think are intended for kids’ lunches. I used to go through multiple single-serving boxes* of Parmelat chocolate milk a day when I was a kid.

(Come to think of it, did they say “no room-temperature milk” or “no UHT milk”? Because while I’ve drunk well over a thousand cartons* of milk (all bought in America) that appear to fit with the definition of “UHT milk” I just looked up, I had never heard the term before.)

*The Canadian term for this is the genericised trademark “tetra pak”, but since I’m talking about my experiences as an American in America I figured I ought to use the terminology I would’ve used at the time, despite its relative lack of precision.

P.S. Maybe I should look into the possibility of larger tetras of milk, considering I just had refrigerated milk go lumpy nine days before its sell-by date (beating the previous record of six days). Bagged milksounds like a neat idea, but it’s terrible for preservation, and the manufacturers won’t even admit it.

 

slepaulica:

i don’t remember where i saw it. but it was an article on the internet and someone was saying that for a limited time they had uht milk available in the cardboard box things but it didnt catch on with americans because it was too weird that it could be stored unrefrigerated or something and they didnt sell well so it was taken off the market and it was a shame because they were really useful for people like university students who didnt have a fridge.

actually, i remember reading that they do have uht milk in the us, but they don’t sell it in the cardboard boxes but they sell it in the transparent gallon containers, and part of what gives the milk the shelf life of like a year and the need to not be refrigerated is keeping it from exposure to light, and so even though the milk is treated with an ultra high temperature to pasteurise it, it doesn’t have the 9 months-1 year shelf life because of exposure to light, so they have to keep it refrigerated anyway.

it is possible that the author of the article lived in a specific region of the us and was overgeneralising to the availability in the rest of their country.

do any other americans want to weigh in? can you go to the supermarket and buy a cardboard box of milk that is not in the refrigerated section of the store and it does not need to be refrigerated until opened? maybe i am wrong?

 

winterwhitewitch:

No we cannot, at least not where I live. (near San Francisco, CA) I didn’t even know what uht milk was until I googled it. All the milk I have ever encountered needs to be refrigerated, and I am actually shocked this isn’t a rule. 
Our milk choices range from non fat, low fat, regular, half and half (ughhhh), and there’s the vegan milk stuff. My dad drinks almond milk, which is an abomination. 
And I thought bagged milk was weird…

 

slepaulica:

Thank you for weighing in! UHT milk doesn’t have any preservatives in it. The shelf life is due to the combination of: sterile packaging, opaque packaging, and the high temperature at which it is pasteurised. once you open your box of milk, you have to drink it within a few days, and it does have to be refrigerated once opened because the packaging is no longer sealed and germs can get in, but the packages are 1 litre or a half litre, which isn’t all that much milk, so even without refrigeration, you can plan around using the entire thing before it goes bad.

a friend of mine without refrigeration would just reboil it every time she wanted to drink some, but in the summer months i just try to use it all up as soon as i open it, and in winter months it’s easier because i can just leave it outside and use it slowly over the course of a few days.

but the advantages are: not needing to refrigerate the trucks it is shipped in, not needing to refrigerate it at the store, and you can use it as an emergency food. you can stock up on it effectively without worrying about it going bad (within reason, 6-9 month shelf life) because it only starts going bad once opened.

 

sophus-b:

No we cannot, at least not where I live. (near San Francisco, CA)

You can definitely get shelf-stable milk in the Bay Area! I looked it up, and it says there’s some in stock in stock for every Whole Foods I checked, and at least half of the Safeways and Walmarts, too. And Costco has store brand shelf-stable chocolate milk, at least.

They’ve probably just hidden it away on some obscure back shelf because it’s not a popular product.

Additionally, you can get shelf-stable cream at any Trader Joe’s! (Source: I have one on my shelf right now.)


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thetevintersoldier:

brin-bellway:

aflightygrim:

a romcom where the main character has prosopagnosia and has no idea they’ve been wooing the same person for months b/c the other character keeps changing their clothes and hairstyle

#i promise it would be great #but uh probably only … to people who don’t …….. yeah #i don’t know how this would play out to people who can recognize faces lmao #actually the likelihood it would confuse and piss of people without stupid visual agnosias like #makes it better tbh 

Have you heard of Faces in the Crowd? (Note: I haven’t actually seen it, just read about it.) I read some of the IMDB reviews a while back: many of the non-prosos thought it was neat how they portrayed it by having several similar-looking-but-different actors play each part, and the prosos were like “wait, they what now?”.

Similarly, I expect a movie like that would play out better to people with normal facial recognition, both because they are more likely to notice that anything strange is going on at all and because cringe comedy is worse if there’s a layer of “it could happen to you”. (Or would that actually make it better for someone already inclined to like cringe comedy? I wouldn’t know.)

I had not heard of that movie! I might give it a shot, if it’s on Netflix or somethin’, just because I wanna see how well it works. Curious to see it portrayed on screen. Hooray brain problems \o/ Actually, I remember someone talking about a book where the MC had prosopagnosia, too, and she was a … mountain climber? I can’t remember the title right now.

The more I think about it, the more I wonder whose POV a rom-com style thing about that would work from. The love interest, who’s like “why does this person keep doing/saying nice things one day then ignoring me like we’ve never met the next ?__?” or the proso person who is just kind of blithely and unassumingly kind and doesn’t realize that, like, their barista rides the same bus as they do or whatever?

also now i’m wondering how early you’d want to give away the fact that the main character’s got face blindness. 


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sundxwn:

 

slepaulica:

brin-bellway:

slepaulica:

brin-bellway:

live-vibe:

Landscape blog here

Thank you, Sean Bagshaw!

(Interesting that the original picture is more purple than this version. I think I actually like this one better; it seems more ethereal. Anyway, I’ve encountered too many artists’ complaints and PSAs to dare reblog sourceless art.)

thank you for finding source!

Google search-by-image can be very helpful. I’m pretty sure every one of those PSAs I’ve seen had a section on Google Is Your Friend (Also Our Friend) (But WeHeartIt Is Not Friendly). After a few repetitions it sunk in.

usually when i add stuff to my queue, it needs to be a fairly quick operation or i lose interest. but i support the concept of finding sources. and will try to do it when i can. if the internet isn’t co-operating (sometimes i can access some websites but not others), it can be too much.

Note: source link is now rotten, but still available through Wayback [link].

(While I was not the one who submitted it, I *have* been applying my new linking policy [link] retroactively where possible.  (There’s a reason my Dreamwidth’s subtitle is “now with 50% more Internet Archive”.))


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slepaulica:

brin-bellway:

slepaulica:

asapscience:

How many digits of π do you know?

I’m a dick!

…I was under the impression that “3.14159265” was the amount you couldn’t help but learn just by living in a culture where the concept of pi is this well-known. Certainly while I remember learning “358” and a little later “9793238” (circa age ten or eleven; I was reading Muse magazine and they had a bit on pi, and I was like “oh hey, more pi digits! that ‘979323’ is a nice pattern, I bet it would be easy to memorise. think I’ll throw in one more while I’m at it”), I don’t remembering learning the first…do you count from before or after the decimal point? Anyway, I don’t remember learning the part in my first sentence because I was so young.

(I suppose it’s not that surprising, really. I frequently have trouble telling the difference between common knowledge and stuff I happened to pick up on the way.)

Most people stop at 3.14. I used 31415926 as the pin for my old phone (I can say this now because it’s not the pin for my current phone and is not a current pin or password for anything). it seemed reasonably secure because most people just picked four digit pins and a random pickpocket probably wouldn’t guess that I had those digits memorised.

and the 535 8 979 323 is a neat pattern too (though the 8 in the middle kinda ruins it)


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toocooltobehipster:

map of British accents!!

 

haus-of-ill-repute:

How can a country smaller than montana have so many fucking accents?

 

youblowuponesun:

this is why we say please do not talk about a “british accent” thank

 

doctadonner:

but me and my sister both live in yorkshire (I live in North and she lives in South)  and she has to talk slowly when she comes to the north because no-one can understand a word she says, so there’s deviations of accents within accents.

 

darael:

Oh, and then there’s:

Spread out all over the fucking place but more prevalent in the South: RP (which is what Murricans think of as a “British Accent” even though it’s a minority of the English that have it let alone the British)

 

thedreadvampy:

plus like…there’s a LOT of variation in the Lothian area? Edinburgh’s super posh.

 

dropkicks:

if you think there’s only one accent in london i’ve got news for you son

 

silly-cleo:

I’ve lived in the UK for more than half my life, certainly my entire adult life, and I still can’t successfully ID all the accents there are here. I’m sometimes mortifyingly wrong, but less so now.

 

jescissa:

There’s way more than two Welsh accents. How can you categorize it as ‘Welsh’ or ‘Cardiff’? The accent in Caernarfon is completely different to the accent in Wrexham, so that’s at least four. Then the accent of Ceredigion is different again. Five. The Welsh hill farming accent is different to the Welsh mining accent (North/South divide.) People in Penmaenmawr sound different to people in Llanfairfechan and there’s a 7 minute drive between them.

 

cosmic-llin:

This! Even if you’re grouping similar Welsh accents together, there’s at LEAST one in the North and one in the South. Cool map though!

 

brin-bellway:

Are there actually people who honestly believe there is only one British accent, or is that a myth? Whenever I see people claim Americans think there’s only one, they always use the existence of the phrase “British accent” as their evidence.

Yes, I say “British accent”. Thing is, it’s not that I don’t know there are a zillion different accents in Britain. It’s that I don’t know what they’re called, and so am forced to use “British accent” as an umbrella term because I don’t have the words to describe them more specifically except perhaps by comparison (“it was a Dave-Lister-y sort of voice*”).

*And even having heard that this is a Liverpool accent, I would still describe it by comparison if I could possibly get away with it. I don’t entirely trust my source on where Lister’s accent is from, nor do I trust Liverpool to have only one accent.

 

cosmic-llin:

I think it’s less that people really don’t know that there’s more than one British accent, and more that very often “British Accent” is used to mean Received Pronunciation (in my TV and real-life experience that’s what a majority of people will do when required to fake a British accent), which is kind of a sore point anyway because in some British circles RP is still considered “better” than other accents and people with regional accents already feel marginalised?

And yup, Lister definitely has a Scouse (Liverpool) accent, although you’re right that Liverpool accents can vary a bit!


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